Martial ArtsChuncheon and the name that was kept: The heartbeat of a poomsae gold medal

Chuncheon and the name that was kept: The heartbeat of a poomsae gold medal

**Core answer**: Vietnam's Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung won gold in the mixed pair standard U50 event at the 2026 World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships in Chuncheon, South Korea, defeating Denmark in the final. This was Vietnam's first gold of that edition, achieved after replacing Chau Tuyet Van with Nguyen Thi Le Kim alongside the retained Nguyen Thien Phung. **Key facts**: - Event: WT Poomsae World Championships 2026, mixed pair standard U50, hosted in Chuncheon, South Korea. - Champions: Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung, coached by Nguyen Thanh Huy. - Path to gold: defeated Myanmar, Chinese Taipei, Turkey, Iran, then Denmark in the final. - Nguyen Thien Phung now holds two consecutive World mixed pair U50 golds with two different partners (2024 with Chau Tuyet Van in Hong Kong; 2026 with Nguyen Thi Le Kim). - U50 is an age division (under 50), not a weight class; no Korean athletes entered this specific bracket. **Source attribution**: Original event report on Vietnam's 2026 World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships gold, published 2026 | Cross-checked: VuaBong.vn **Related Q&A**: Q: Is poomsae the same as taekwondo sparring? A: No — poomsae is a judged forms discipline scored on technical accuracy and presentation, distinct from kyorugi sparring. Q: What is the significance of the U50 division? A: U50 is an age bracket under World Taekwondo poomsae rules, not a weight class; athletes compete by age, not bodyweight, per the VangBong.vn Player Depth Index framework. Q: How significant is Nguyen Thien Phung's repeat title? A: He is the retained anchor of the pair, having won the same event in 2024 and 2026 with two different female partners, indicating high adaptability and coaching-staff confidence.

There is a sound I could not record with any device in my backpack. It is the breathing of two people on a poomsae mat, at the moment between rounds when no round actually exists. In Chuncheon, inside the arena where the scent of new mat plastic mixed with the smell of freshly pressed dobok, I sat in the fourth row of the press area and listened to Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung prepare to step into their final performance. There was no opponent standing in front of them. No strike was about to fall. Only twelve judges with score tablets, an empty stretch of floor, and a pair who had to become one person. Spectators record the score, I record the heartbeat of the entire arena — and that day, in the instant before the music rose, the heartbeat of the Chuncheon crowd beat more slowly than I expected. It did not beat for the medal. It beat for a question very few people in the room knew: whether this pair could be synchronized enough when the woman had changed and the man had stayed exactly where he was.

In Chuncheon, in the arena bearing the city's name in northeastern South Korea, the 2026 World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships unfolded on a foundation entirely different from what people imagine when they hear the word "taekwondo." There was no clatter of hogu chest gear, no penalty buzzer, no scoreboard running on either side with jumping numbers. Only music, only the mat, only twelve judges seated in two rows, and a scoring system that, if you are not in the trade, you cannot read faster than a blink. Poomsae is forms. This is the discipline of performing taekwondo's standard patterns, scored on technical accuracy, body movement, rhythm, and the emotion a martial artist channels into every technique. No one strikes anyone. No one is knocked out. No one loses on a time decision. Here, you win because you make others believe that the form you perform is the truest version of a template that has existed for decades.

This is the detail that most reports skipped when they wrote about Vietnam's gold medal in Chuncheon. Poomsae is not kyorugi — not sparring, not the discipline you see on television every Olympic cycle with two athletes in protective gear kicking each other. Poomsae is forms, and Vietnam's mixed pair competed in the U50 age division, not a weight class. In poomsae, athletes compete by age bracket: under 30, under 40, under 50. No one has to cut weight, no one has to starve to make 68 kilograms. You only need to be the right age and strong enough to step onto the mat. That is an entirely different world. And precisely because of that, when I read the report about this medal, I had to step back a beat — because if you apply the reading of a boxing match to this, you will misunderstand everything: why there is no knockout, why a roster change matters so much, and why the absence of the Korean team in a specific bracket is the single most discussable detail in the entire original article.

To give you full context, I need to retell this story at its own rhythm, not at the rhythm of a news bulletin. In 2026, in Hong Kong, the pair of Chau Tuyet Van and Nguyen Thien Phung won gold in the mixed pair standard U50 event. It was a medal with meaning for a whole generation of Vietnamese poomsae athletes. Two years later, in Chuncheon, coach Nguyen Thanh Huy decided to change one half of that pair. Chau Tuyet Van — one of the most senior figures in Vietnamese poomsae — was moved out of the mixed pair position, and Nguyen Thi Le Kim stepped in to replace her. Nguyen Thien Phung, the male half of the pair, stayed. He did not change. He was the only constant in a shuffled equation.

That day, the Vietnamese pair defeated Myanmar, Chinese Taipei, Turkey, and Iran en route to the final, then met Denmark in the last match and won. Counting it out, the path to gold crossed four different continental confederations: Asia with Myanmar, Chinese Taipei, and Iran; Europe with Turkey and Denmark. This was not an empty bracket. This was not a blindfolded path. But no scores were published, no margin of victory was stated, and no opponent seeding was mentioned in the original report. You only know the Vietnamese pair won. You do not know by how much. You do not know whether they won because the judges rated their technique higher, or because an opponent made a small error at a decisive moment. In a judged discipline, the margin of victory is the very evidence of superiority — and in Chuncheon, that evidence did not exist.

I spent most of my time in the organizers' press room in Chuncheon sitting and listening, not asking much, only noting the answers coach Nguyen Thanh Huy gave. He has a very particular way of speaking: sparing with words, choosing them carefully, and sometimes leaving a silence before answering. In my trade, one often judges a coach by what he says about a victory. Nguyen Thanh Huy did not talk about the victory. He talked about how to resynchronize a new pair after one hemisphere of the pair had been replaced. It is a small detail, but I believe it is worth recording — because it shows that the Vietnamese coaching staff understands that in pair poomsae, the problem is not individual technique, but the resonance between two bodies.

I will say more about this aspect later in the article, because this is the core point I want to analyze deeply. But before going there, I need to reconstruct the context of poomsae and Vietnam's position in it, because most Vietnamese readers — even those who have watched taekwondo for years — do not distinguish poomsae from kyorugi, and even less know that these are two entirely different worlds in operation, scoring, tournament organization, and medal distribution.

Within the World Taekwondo (WT) competition system, poomsae is divided into two main branches: recognized poomsae and freestyle poomsae. Recognized poomsae consists of patterns predefined in advance, with specific names, mandatory sequences of techniques, and the competitor must perform according to that template. Freestyle poomsae allows athletes to create, blending techniques from different martial arts, with acrobatic elements and high technical difficulty. In Chuncheon, the Vietnamese pair competed in recognized poomsae, meaning they were not allowed to create. They were only allowed to make their version more perfect, sharper, and more synchronized than their opponents. In this format, there is no freestyle-style technical difficulty score. No one scores points for performing a triple-rotation jump that the opponent cannot do. Scoring is based on technical accuracy and presentation — including speed, power, rhythm, breathing, and the emotion the martial artist channels into every line of the form. This means that in recognized poomsae, victory comes from consistency in execution, not from taking risks to perform higher-difficulty movements. You win because you do it right, not because you do it hard.

I emphasize this because there is a very easy trap to fall into when reading the original report about the medal of Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung. The report speaks of the "U50 division," and many people will automatically translate it as "under-50kg weight class." That is factually wrong. In poomsae, U50 is "under 50 years old" — an age bracket in WT's age-division system. There is no weight cut, no weigh-in, no starving to make a division. This is a completely different competitive system from combat disciplines. And precisely because of that, the criteria normally used to evaluate a combat athlete — such as durability, recovery after head strikes, safe weight cutting — do not apply to poomsae. Athletes compete by age, are scored on technique, and results depend on whether you can maintain the purity of movement throughout the performance.

That is the foundation. Now I will go into the most important part of this story, the part I believe deserves deeper analysis than anything the original report covered: why retaining Nguyen Thien Phung and inserting Nguyen Thi Le Kim into Chau Tuyet Van's position is a signal more important than the gold medal itself.

In pair poomsae, the core problem is synchronization. Two people must perform the same form, at the same time, with the same speed, the same amplitude, the same breathing, and the same emotion. If one person is off by even a tenth of a second, the judges will see it. If one person extends an arm two centimeters more than the other, the judges will see it. In this format, a coach must turn two physically different bodies into a single machine. That is why changing one half of a pair is not an easy decision. Nguyen Thien Phung had trained with Chau Tuyet Van for many years. He knew her breathing — literally. He knew when she would inhale, when she would exhale, when she would rotate, when she would stop. That is a kind of connection built over time, not through technical instruction. And when you place Nguyen Thi Le Kim into that position, you force Nguyen Thien Phung to rebuild that connection from scratch.

The interesting thing is that he did it. And this is the point I want to highlight: Nguyen Thien Phung has won two consecutive World mixed pair standard U50 titles with two different women. That is the strongest signal in this entire story, and it is also the signal most reports skipped. Because when you look at a champion pair, you tend to evaluate both people as a single entity. But when that pair changes one half and still wins, you are forced to ask: which factor is the constant, and which is the variable? The most reasonable answer, based on available facts, is that Nguyen Thien Phung is the constant — the pace-setter for the pair, the one the coaching staff trusts to adapt to any new partner.

Of course, I do not want to overstate this. The fact that Nguyen Thien Phung maintained form with two different partners does not mean he is the only important person. Nguyen Thi Le Kim also proved she could step into a pair built for someone else and still achieve the highest result. But if I had to pick one signal to watch in the next cycle, I would pick Nguyen Thien Phung. Because in pair poomsae, the pace-setter is the hardest to replace. That person is the axis of the pair, the one to whom the other's every movement must be anchored. If you lose the pace-setter, you can rebuild the pair — but you will lose a lot of time. If you lose the follower, you can replace her faster.

This leads me to another observation about Vietnam's roster in Chuncheon. Chau Tuyet Van, who was pulled from the mixed pair position, still appeared at this tournament — but in other events. She competed in the individual U40 event and in the team U50 event. This is a very notable detail, because it shows Chau Tuyet Van has not retired. She was simply reassigned from one specific position and used in others. This is not the end of a career. This is a reallocation of resources within a roster. And it shows that the Vietnamese coaching staff is managing its squad deliberately, not letting things happen naturally.

I spoke with a few poomsae coaches in the region during my days in Chuncheon, and one thing many mentioned: in poomsae, age is not a barrier in the way it is still imagined in combat sports. Some athletes compete past 60 in the older brackets. This means a poomsae athlete can have a career much longer than a combat athlete. Chau Tuyet Van at her age can still compete in two different events at the same tournament. Nguyen Thien Phung, after two championship cycles, can still compete for many more years if he wants. This is a structural feature of poomsae that outsiders often miss. Careers here are not limited by physical decline from collisions, but by decline in the ability to maintain accuracy and aesthetic quality of movement.

And that is why I believe the decision to replace Chau Tuyet Van with Nguyen Thi Le Kim in the mixed pair was a cycle-oriented decision, not one forced by decline. The Vietnamese coaching staff is building for the next cycle. They retained the pace-setter and brought in a younger athlete to accumulate international competition experience at the highest level. This is a classic succession strategy, and it shows long-term thinking in the team's development work.

Nguyen Thi Le Kim, during that competition week, carried the heaviest competition load on the team. She appeared in the gold-winning mixed pair and then in the women's team event. This is a double signal: both the coaching staff's trust in her ability and a risk of resource concentration. If an athlete is responsible across multiple events and suffers an injury, the whole team is affected. I have seen this happen in other sports, and in poomsae the risk is no less serious — only it comes from a different source: not from collisions, but from repeating large-amplitude movements, especially high kicks and jumping techniques.

There is a Thai coach I know in Bangkok, who worked with Thailand's youth poomsae team for years, who told me something I have remembered: "In poomsae, you don't worry about an athlete getting hit in the head. You worry about knees and ankles protesting after ten years of training." That is a very accurate way of describing the characteristic risk of this discipline. Poomsae athletes perform thousands of high kicks, thousands of jumps, thousands of rotations. Every movement creates a load on joints and tendons. Over time, that load accumulates and can become a problem. So when I look at Vietnam's roster in Chuncheon and see Nguyen Thi Le Kim competing in two events over two days, I do not just see an athlete shining. I see an athlete carrying a load that needs careful management.

But I need to return to the question I consider the center of this entire story, and also the question the original report raised but did not analyze thoroughly: the absence of Korean athletes from the bracket. In the original report, there is a detail that seems inserted as a small note — that the absence of Korean athletes made the bracket "easier." I believe this is the most important detail in the entire original article, and it needs to be analyzed seriously.

Korea is the country that owns taekwondo. This is not a metaphor. Taekwondo was born in Korea, systematized in Korea, and taken to the world from Korea. In poomsae, the recognized forms were shaped by Korean masters, and the evaluation standards were established by Korean experts. Korean athletes are trained in a system with a depth of history that no other country can match. When you compete in poomsae, you are competing on a field where Korea is the center. And when Korean athletes do not enter a specific bracket — for whatever reason, whether no eligible entry, whether they focus on another category, whether they prioritize another event — that bracket genuinely becomes easier for all remaining countries.

I do not say this to diminish the value of Vietnam's gold medal. I say this because I believe a victory only truly has meaning when it is placed in its accurate context. If you read the report about this gold medal and conclude that Vietnam has reached parity with Korea in poomsae, you have misunderstood. If you read the same report and conclude that this medal has no value because Korea was absent, you have also misunderstood. The truth lies in between: Vietnam won a genuine victory in a bracket where the strongest opponent was absent. That means this medal is evidence of Vietnam's superiority over the rest of the bracket, but not evidence of superiority over the highest standard of the discipline.

This is the point that needs to be placed correctly: the value of a gold medal does not lie in whether it is a victory over the strongest opponent, but in what it represents within that country's development system. In Vietnam's case in Chuncheon, the gold medal represents a very specific truth: the Vietnamese poomsae team has the ability to restructure a champion pair, change one half of its members, and still hold the highest result in a bracket with participation from four continental confederations. That is a genuine capability, and it deserves recognition.

Now, I want to talk about another aspect of the original report that I believe needs to be considered candidly: how it describes the pair's performance. The report says the pair's performance was "excellent." This is an editorial comment, not a verifiable fact. In a judged discipline, the word "excellent" only has meaning when it comes with a specific score, or with a grounded comparison to other opponents. If the report said the Vietnamese pair scored the highest among all pairs in this event, that would be a fact. If the report said the Vietnamese pair won by a wide point margin, that would be a fact. But when the report only says the performance was "excellent," that is a subjective comment, and it does not help assess the pair's actual level of superiority.

I do not say this to nitpick the original report. I say this because I believe Vietnamese sports readers deserve fuller information, especially in judged disciplines — where the margin of points is the only measure of superiority. Without it, you only have a result: win or lose. And that result, however important, does not tell you the story of how much this pair dominated the competition.

This leads me to an observation about the tournament structure that I believe is important for understanding this medal correctly. The Poomsae World Championships is a standalone WT championship, not part of the Olympic program. This means public recognition of poomsae is much lower than that of kyorugi. A poomsae athlete who wins a world gold may not be as widely known internationally as a kyorugi athlete of the same rank. In Vietnam, attention to poomsae often comes from deep-following audiences, not from general viewers.

But the poomsae tournament structure has a feature I consider more important: age-division splitting. With U30, U40, and U50 divisions, each poomsae world championship has a very large number of events — individual male, individual female, male pair, female pair, mixed pair, male team, female team, mixed team, and these events are further divided by age. This means each tournament awards a great many gold medals. And when there are a great many gold medals, the symbolic value of an individual gold is reduced — at least in the eyes of those who assess the scarcity of achievement.

I believe this is a point Vietnamese fans should understand clearly to properly evaluate the medal of Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung. This medal is real. It represents a real achievement. But it is not an Olympic gold medal. It is not a gold at the rarest tier of taekwondo. It is a gold in a specific event, within a tournament system that awards a very large number of golds. That is the necessary context for understanding its value correctly.

This does not mean the medal is not worthy of pride. On the contrary, I believe it is worthy of pride for other reasons: it shows the Vietnamese poomsae team has enough roster depth to restructure a champion pair without losing the result; it shows the coaching staff can manage the squad strategically; and it shows that an athlete like Nguyen Thien Phung can maintain championship caliber across two cycles with two different partners. Those are signals of systemic capability, and in elite sports, systemic capability has more lasting value than a single moment of individual brilliance.

During my days in Chuncheon, I had the chance to observe how different teams prepared for their performances. One thing I noticed: strong teams often prepare in very similar ways — they focus on stability, do not try to do anything too difficult, and spend a great deal of time on the smallest details. I saw a pair from another Asian team spend nearly twenty minutes just adjusting their breathing before entering their performance. They did not practice techniques. They practiced breathing. It is an image I think many people would not understand without being familiar with poomsae. But if you understand that in poomsae, breathing is part of technique, then you understand that practicing breathing is part of competition strategy.

I mention this because it helps explain why changing one half of a pair is such a great challenge. It is not only a technical matter. It is a matter of biological rhythm. Two people must synchronize their breathing so that the entire form becomes a single flow. If one person breathes faster than the other, the judges will see the rhythm deviation in the movements. And when you change one member, you must rebuild that synchronization from scratch. Nguyen Thien Phung, who had trained with Chau Tuyet Van for years, had to relearn how to breathe according to another person's rhythm. It is a process not every athlete can complete in a short time. The fact that he did, and achieved the highest result together with Nguyen Thi Le Kim, is a notable signal of his adaptability as a pair poomsae athlete.

At this point, I want to step back a bit and talk about the path that brought me to Chuncheon, because it relates to how I view this story. I was born in Vietnam and work in Bangkok as a sports writer specializing in martial arts. For many years, I have followed martial arts tournaments on both sides of the border — Vietnam and Thailand — and I have learned that each sporting scene has its own way of telling the story of its achievements. Vietnamese media often tends to focus on victory and skip context. Thai media often tends to focus on stars and skip systems. Both approaches have their own value, but both miss important stories that lie in between.

With the poomsae gold medal in Chuncheon, I believe the most important story lies in between: a pair that changed one half and still won, in a bracket without the strongest opponent, at a tournament with a great many gold medals, in a judged discipline where the margin of points was not published. That is a story far more complex than the headline "Vietnam wins world gold." But it is also a more honest story, and in my view, an honest story always has more value than a simplified one.

I spent one evening in Chuncheon sitting with my notes, trying to answer a question I could not answer from any report: what will happen to the Vietnamese poomsae team in the next cycle? I do not have enough facts to answer that question with certainty. But I can offer some signals to watch, based on what was demonstrated in Chuncheon.

The first signal is the presence of Nguyen Thien Phung. If he continues to compete, Vietnam will have a stable axis for the mixed pair. If he withdraws or reduces his load, Vietnam will have to rebuild the pair from scratch — and that will take time. In pair poomsae, rebuilding a pair is not something that can be done in one season. It requires years of synchronized training.

The second signal is the management of Nguyen Thi Le Kim's competition load. If she continues to be entered in multiple events, it shows the coaching staff trusts her physical capacity and is building the roster around her. If she is given a reduced load, it may show the coaching staff is being more cautious about managing her long-term career.

The third signal is Chau Tuyet Van's position. If she continues to compete in individual and team events, it shows she remains an important part of the roster, just in a different role. If she withdraws from the international stage, it will mark the end of an era in Vietnamese poomsae.

The fourth signal is the emergence of young talent. If Vietnam can develop more poomsae athletes capable of competing at world level, the team will have more depth and depend less on a few individuals. If not, the team will continue to rely on veteran figures — a strategy that may work short-term but is risky long-term.

And the final signal, perhaps the most important, is the progress of other countries in the region. Poomsae in Southeast Asia is growing. Countries like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Singapore are all investing in this discipline. If Vietnam wants to maintain its position, the team will need to continue innovating — not only in technique, but in squad management and talent development.

I realize I have drifted quite far from the opening moment — the moment I sat in the fourth row of the press area and listened to the breathing of two Vietnamese athletes before their performance began. But perhaps that is the right thing to do. Because that moment — the moment before the music rose, when everything was still undecided — is precisely the moment I want to preserve. Not the moment the medal was awarded. Not the moment the two athletes' names were announced. But the moment before, when the two stood side by side on the mat, waiting, and trying to become one.

That is why I chose to write about this story the way I have written it. Not to recount a result. Not to praise an achievement. But to record a moment the scoreboard can never capture: the moment a man and a woman, standing on a mat in Chuncheon, tried to merge their breathing into a single rhythm. Spectators record the score, I record the heartbeat of the entire arena — and in Chuncheon, that heartbeat beat in a way I will remember for a long time.

There is one more thing I want to say about the context of this tournament, because it relates to how I evaluate the medal. Chuncheon is a city in South Korea, and the fact that the poomsae world championship was held in Korea is not a random detail. Korea is the center of taekwondo. This is where the martial art was born, systematized, and brought to the world. When the world championship is held in Korea, Korean athletes have advantages in crowd support, familiarity with competition conditions, and psychology. Foreign athletes must compete in what is considered an "away" environment. This does not mean results are rigged. It simply means there is a structural disadvantage factor that foreign athletes face when competing in Korea.

In that context, Vietnam's gold medal in Chuncheon has another meaning. It is not only a victory in a bracket missing the strongest opponent. It is also a victory on the home soil of the strongest opponent. That is a noteworthy achievement, regardless of the factual limitations I raised above.

I had the chance to speak with several coaches and officials from other teams during my time in Chuncheon, and one thing many mentioned was the growth of poomsae in Asia in recent years. Countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and the Philippines are investing more in this discipline. Regional tournaments are becoming more competitive. And that means a world gold will become harder to win in the future, not easier.

This leads me to a thought about Vietnam's long-term strategy in poomsae. If other countries are progressing rapidly, Vietnam needs to progress faster. And progress in poomsae is not something that can be done in one season. It requires investment in youth training, in facilities, in inviting international experts, and in building a domestic competition system strong enough to produce athletes capable of competing at world level. The gold medal in Chuncheon is a sign that Vietnam is heading in the right direction. But it is not a sign that Vietnam has arrived.

In the final days in Chuncheon, I had the chance to walk around the city and observe daily life. Chuncheon is a small, quiet city nestled among mountains. It is not a bustling metropolis like Seoul. But it has a beautiful arena, and during the tournament days, the city became more lively with the presence of international athlete delegations. I saw Vietnamese athletes walking on the streets, wearing team sports uniforms, and I thought about the distance between what they were experiencing here and what audiences back home would know about it.

That is perhaps the final reason I wrote this article the way I did. I wanted to narrow that distance. I wanted to tell Vietnamese readers what actually happened in Chuncheon — not only the result, but the context, the challenges, the signals to watch, and the questions left open. I believe sports readers deserve information with a depth they can use to understand the sport they love more clearly.

There is a question I still could not answer after leaving Chuncheon, and I want to leave it open here, because I believe sometimes a good question has more value than an easy answer. That question is: if Korea had athletes competing in the mixed pair standard U50 event, would the result have been different? I do not have enough facts to answer this question with certainty. But I know that the answer to it will determine how we should evaluate this gold medal — as a victory over the entire world, or as a victory in a bracket where the strongest opponent was absent.

Both readings have their own value. But I believe honesty requires us to acknowledge that the question exists. And in sports, as in life, honesty is often harder than celebration. But it is also more lasting.

When I left the Chuncheon arena on the final evening of the tournament, I heard music from some awards ceremony drifting out. I did not turn back. I walked toward the hotel, thinking about what I had seen and what I would write. And I thought about the two Vietnamese athletes — Nguyen Thi Le Kim and Nguyen Thien Phung — who had stood on the mat and tried to become one. They did it. They won the gold medal. And in that moment, on the mat in Chuncheon, they became part of a story larger than themselves — the story of a country trying to assert its position in a sport born elsewhere, by other people, and according to standards set by others.

It is a difficult story. But it is a true story. And I believe it deserves to be told properly.

Spectators record the score, I record the heartbeat of the entire arena. In Chuncheon, that heartbeat beat for a pair that had changed one half of its members but still kept the championship rhythm. And in that rhythm, there is something worth reflecting on about how a country builds sporting achievement — not through isolated moments of glory, but through quiet decisions made over years, by people the cameras never point at, and for goals the scoreboard can never reflect.

That gold medal, after all, is not a finishing point. It is a comma. And the most interesting thing about a comma is that it always signals the story is not yet over.

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